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    Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    I got a 1989 240SX with the KA24E (single cam), R200 diff (open diff), and because its a 1989, its a pig nose, so its slow, doesn't go sideways well, and its ugly. It's actually ZupanskyD's old car that I'm just going to continue from where he left off.

    As some of you may know and those who don't, I got rid of my MK3 Jetta's in trade for this.


    Here it is sitting at JDM Central (aka, Frank's house)








    KA24E with Injen cold air intake, and a tubular manifold.


    Has just shy of 195,000km on the clock


    All I intend for this is either a decent price KA24DE or a KA24DE head conversion on the KA24E block, a KA24E-DE is suppose to have something like 11.3:1 compression so that could be fun. We'll see as time goes.

    I'm looking for an R200V VLSD diff as Dylan was, I need a NON-ABS model and I also need the driveshaft that goes with it due to the length difference. I also need 6 bolt flanges or 5 bolt 180SX axles, I'm fine with either.

    Once I have an engine built, I'll be looking into the ISIS turbo kit, should be good for around 300hp out of the box, nothing too crazy, but I'm not there yet.

    Going to rip the open diff with KA24E for a bit till I get the feel of it and find my threshold where the car actually holds me back, I feel like I'll need a few track days to find that but for now the stock ~140hp is going to be more then enough.

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    More updates as times goes, its going to be slowly prepped for safety right now so I can have it on the road for spring.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    If it is a drift build then just weld the diff. I have a bunch of parts for these cars, including full rebuild kit and Trans, so if you need anything just let me know.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    I weld the diff like this right?


    Lol, Andrew sent that to me after telling me to weld it, I can't even lol

    So, you have parts.. By chance do you have a full KA24DE? That would be the ideal swap for me to give it a little kick in power but not too crazy so I'm not jumping on a turbo out of the box

    I'm looking for one that needs a rebuild so I can go forged internals for when the turbo day comes, I would rather build a straight up KA24DE instead of combining a KA24E block with a KA24DE head, I'm not sure which pistons I use so it would be a lot more work above my skill level and a greater chance of it being user error when there's engine failure by combining both of those as opposed to building a text book forged internal KA24DE, all off the shelf parts, ISIS makes almost everything I need and the turbo kit I would be getting down the road is from ISIS too, so it would be the direction I'm looking.

    However, back to differential talk, I'm not against the idea of a welded diff, definitely the cheaper route and more reliable choice in terms of slideways, but, I do intend on driving this around town from time to time as it's going to be a registered road worth car that I bring to drift events, so Tim's and welded diff would be interesting.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    Where are you planning on drifting this car?

    Do you plan on making it street legal or stripping it down and having an actual "drift car"

    I would keep the engine until you blow it and SR20 or RB swap that mofo. Dylan just put a new timing chain in... should last a season? lol
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    I'm going to pre register for CSCS this weekend, so the first event will in May which gives me a generous amount of time to get it up and running by then as long as there aren't any major problems for the safety.

    I plan on making it a tracked-"kind of"daily, I still have the TL and the RAM so I don't need it to even be on the road but I like the idea of taking a road trip to Toronto for drift events in the car I'm racing with the back seat full of tires and the possibility of it breaking at the track, then scrambling for parts in Toronto to make the return trip.
    It's going to be an adventure, that's for sure. I am going to gut some of the interior and it's getting racing seats and 4 point harnesses, I'll upgrade to 5 point harness once a roll cage is required.

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    Oh, and I do plan on keeping the KA24E in it until it kerplodes, it's probably going to be the engine that I use at CSCS.

    I want to find a KA24DE as a side project that I can build exactly how I want it but still have the car functional until the new engine is done. That's kind of why I'm leaning away from a KA24E-DE because I would have downtime as the block in the car would be getting rebuilt with a KA24DE head.
    Plus a KA24DE-T would be epic, all torque low RPM, 2.4L cast iron block with forged internals, it'll outlast the car lol

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    I'm finding lots of used KA24DE engine's for around $300 to $500, I just gotta go pick them up so gas calculations will have to come into play on that later. Forged internals are around $1000 so what parts I buy forged will be decided once I have an engine to build, the stock crank gets a bad vibration around 7600RPM and it's highly recommended never to go more then that for any period of time, and a forged balanced crank shaft is like $2000 alone so it looks like I'm staying under 7000RPM because I am not about to dump that much cash into this lol.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    you know the KA24DE only has 10 more crank hp than the KA24E... bad bang for buck
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    Yeah but its a dual cam so that's probably a thing and the ISIS turbo kit is made for the KA24DE. So to build a race engine, I can just build a KA24DE and not the stock one and have down time while I'm rebuilding it.

    I see your point though, for the cost of finding, picking up, rebuilding, for 10-15hp, its not worth it, but I wanna build something that won't need upgrades later. That's why I'm thinking forged internal rebuild, should be good for 600hp, I'm aiming for 300hp after turbo, but again, not rocking a turbo or new engine till I get used to this.

    This is my first manual transmisaion RWD car and also my first two door too, so its going to be different and it'll take some adjusting too from my ass draging days or bus drifting
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    for the cost of buying and swapping in a KA24DE and then buying a turbo kit for that. You can just buy an SR20 lol... trust me, ive had many 240's. SR20 is the best route.

    I think a saw a KA24DE at bucks auto a while ago
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    ^ True

    There is a reason there are 1000 SR swapped 240's for every 1 Turbo KA around.

    I understand you are trying to save money by thinking you will buy parts and pieces over a longer period, but in the end it will cost you more... to have less.

    SR20 OR GO HOME!


    But good luck getting the car ready for this drifting season. Hope it works out
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    Yeah swapping a de into it then adding a turbo isn't really financially smart. Swap an sr into it and you'll end up with a better engine with more aftermarket support, the only reason for using a de is if you have one already. Also a drift/daily never ever ever ends well. If you want to go through all of the trouble of making a decent drift car youre better off just going all out and stripping it completely. Makes it easier to fix drift damage and a lighter car drifts better.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    I'm not against an SR20 swap, they're just expensive lol, cheapest one I found so far was around $800 plus shipping and the mileage you can never truck so I would be rebuilding and then at that point its going to cost more, it already has a turbo but again, a used turbo, and I want reliability over mad HP's, KA is heavier, stronger, and parts are cheaper. But I'm not ruling out an SR20, if I run into one in my travels for the right price I'll pick it up, I've always loved that engine. It just feels a little good for my level lol.

    I need to break some stuff and learn a bit before I buy a big kid engine lol.

    And of course I want a fully stripped drift car with a cage and not a single fuck given but I'm not the only one who has to ride in it, and she won't like bare door panels and no carpet so I'll start with what can't be seen like the trunk, and just slowly work my way forward and see what happens lol
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    Just saying from experience and James will say the same. You can't just boost a De and expect it to live long. He's swapped many sr20's and not had an issue with the turbos or mileage concerns. You'll be better off in the long run, I know what you're thinking its the initial $ hit but in the end you'll spend more on the de to achieve less.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    $800 is expensive? And you want to spend $300-$500 on KA24DE, $1000 minimum on internals and machine work, $750+ for a cheap as hell turbo, manifold, injectors, intercooler, piping, plumbing and extras. Then you need to tune the KA...

    (All these numbers are rough, the finish product will probably be multiple hundreds more after exhaust, gauges and all the little bits that add up.)

    Looks like a KA will cost you roughly $2250+ ... and the SR will be $800+

    Cant see how the KA is cheaper? anyone else.
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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    LSx. I said it.

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    Re: Half in the Bag 89 240SX drift build

    V8 x2. Sr20 would be cool but v8 would be extra cool. Get a trailer and tow it to events. Sr20 is a swap that can be done in a weekend and youll double the power of a ka for a grand....

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