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    Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    Audiophiles rejoice - the art of SQ isn't dead in car audio just yet. Some product landed at the shop today for an upcoming build - I thought some of you would enjoy.

    Hybrid Audio Legatia L1V2 tweeters
    Hybrid Audio Legatia L6V2 7.1" midwoofers
    Arc Audio 4200SE amplifier (110wrms x 4)
    Arc Audio KS1200.1 amplifier (1200wrms x 1)
    Arc Audio Black 10 subwoofers (x2)
    Audison Bit.Ten active processing
    Pioneer Avic D3 double din dvd/nav headunit

    Design is simple - midwoofers buried in the doors, heavily braced and damped. Tweeters up at the top of the doors - not sure how that looks yet (testing will tell the tale). Bit.Ten doing full active front end - likely 5khz and up at 24db/oct up top and 5khz to 50 hz bandpass on the woofers at 24 db/oct. Subwoofers crossed at 60 hz, 24 db/oct as well. Subs in an under-rear-seat sealed enclosure.

    All the 31 band eq and full active time alignment a lad could want - though I'm hoping to use very little to get us to where we need to be.

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    Bit.Ten (not in the pics) is in the mail from the us - this time of year its gonna be a bit before it gets here I've gotta finish Durty South before this one - and it'll be in stages, cause you know I'm gonna go hard on it - no expense spared on the details. Install is simple - make it work - almost no fabrication. All stealth. Stay tuned!
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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    Santa came early.....

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    This system is going to sound sooo sweet. Not a build you see err day. Very nice setup, the custy (or the installer) have excellent taste.

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    custy is a simple guy - "I wanna hear the singer breathe". Okay Mind is fully blown - playing with the Bit.Ten software...screenshot attached. I can assign crossover (complete with choice of frequency, slope, alignment), 31 bands of eq, and full active time alignment PER CHANNEL. In our case its 5 channels (two tweeters, two midwoofers and sub). yes - you can have separate xover/eq/time align on all 5. Man I'm gonna take SOOOOO LONG setting this bitch up....

    Beautiful part is it will offer 2 slots of memory - so I can do a base tune and "get it close" - and then go wild with time alignment and eq - and if I get too far from good, click, and I'm back to base. Then final tune will be password protected, and the usb port on the Bit.Ten will have a security seal placed across it....WAY too much damage can come from inexperienced fingers

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    I can tell your like a kid in a candy shop using that software . It looks amazing and in-depth as you'll ever need. I like that everything can be pswd protected, very nice feature. A bit over my head but I wish I could hear the end result - I'll just have to take your word for it.

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    for the enclosure, I opted for "the easy way out". There really is only an under rear-seat option. Instead of a $800 custom fibreglass build, we opted to bring in a Bassworx prefab unit (in this case 5/8" material, and 0.8 cubes per chamber sealed). I then proceeded to cut the basic trunk liner material off, and blew out the front appliques that were designed to make the drivers sit flush. Next task is to build out a 3/4" spacer (yep, those big bastard drivers don't fit lol) so they fit and we'll gain a tad bit of airspace. But the spacer won't just be a ring...its gonna be a large applique blended in to create a "design" on the top of the box....not sure how it looks just yet, but I'm feeling a rounded and swooped curve that leads into the centre of the box. Of course filler blended for a nice 3 dimensional look. Brace the inside a bit, and rewrap the shell in dark cinder carpet to match the interior perfect. Then top the drivers off with chromed 3 bar grilles that will allow the seats to sit down tightly, but allow some decent room for the drivers to work.

    You knew I wouldn't just toss a prefab box under the seat, didn't you?

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    Update on this build. Box progress:

    I needed to add 3/4" of dept to the box to make those big woofers fit - no better time to add some flavour to the top of the box too. Laid up some 3/4" material, gave it a shape and started to filler-fit it in

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    Buffed and in place, this is what we ended up with

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    Close up of the filler blending...nice smooth transition will blend and disappear under a layer of Cinder matching carpet

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    Installed 3 sheets short of an entire TRUNK KIT worth of Hushmat Ultra sound deadening in the front doors. Being a modular door, it had lots of undulations and bracing, so it was applied many smaller pieces at a time Thats all the backing paper from what went on....

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    Made up 1/4" mdf adatper plates to make the 7.1" mids fit in the 6x9 location in the door.

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    In the door using factory hardware

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    A layer of Hushmat Ultra over the entire pod to tie it in SOLID. Its also wrapped inside

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    All the foil and a layer of dust on the camera lense makes it hard to see - but that huge midwoofer fits perfect now

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    In order to make the adapter plate in one fell swoop, I had to do it in three pieces first. Laid out the cutout hole size AND the outer diameter of the driver on the first piece so I could actually measure them and have exact values. Using the factory 6x9 I ripped a basic template on the router table to get a starting point. Then I ripped a circle the same size as the outer diameter of the driver and tied the two together. I then installed a taller bearing on the flush trim bit so it would follow the thinner body template and then "bump out" on the sides to accomodate that big bitch of a driver. Worked PERFECT. One piece adatper plates for the win.

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    better quality pic of the door an deadener (real camera ftw)

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    Gonna touch up the deadener and string speaker wires into the doors today, and put her back together. Truck is needed by custy this week - we'll get it back in the shop next friday.
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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    put in some time on the ram today. Passenger side is completely strung up...two channels of signal, 2 channels of of speaker and power/remote/ground for the processor. Also got the headunit entirely done (wired in, steering wheel controls interfaced, signaled, etc). Tomorrow I'll run 1/0awg down the passenger side, and 2 more channels of speaker and then its to the back to "plug it all in". Goal will be to have speaker wires right into the doors, midwoofers installed for the last time, and things "roughed in" by the end of tomorrow.

    When the rear seatbelt is in the way, we make an adapter plate and push that fucker forward and out of the way

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    Double din'd up

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    And it couldn't possibly be a better carpet match - look close - there's a small piece of my matched carpet on the ledge in the centre of the pic. See it?

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    ITS ALIVE. After a LOT of time, and way more time than anyone should really spend, I've delivered the Ram back to the owner. My thoughts:

    - the Legatia 7.1's bring new meaning to "midbass". I've been at this a long time, and have yet to come across a driver that actually worked into the 50hz that these claim. Well wonder no-more - these fuckers are so strong I had to back them out on the Bit.Ten so they weren't overwhelming. Subs off - just mids and tweets playing, and you can feel the bass hitting you in the back. Rearview mirror shook. These are the real thing

    - the Legatia tweeters also do exactly what they say. I was told to put them /way/ off-axis due to their efficiency, and I'm glad I listend. They are a ring-radiator design and have a very wide dispersion pattern, so even if you're off axis you're on axis lol. What was most notable to me was the timbre...the breadth and accuracy was literally unreal.

    - the subwoofers surprised the hell out of me. VERY fast and accurate - they live up to the writing on the box "high quality audiophile subwoofer". Plus with rap music they got surprisingly loud in this truck (trucks have zero transfer function - so thats a feat)

    With this much power, I wondered how the drivers would do up high....and when you put this much quality power on this level of speaker, LINEAR is the only word to use. As you turned up the volume, it just got louder. It didn't get harsh (tweeters breaking up). It didn't get muddy or fat (mids breaking up). It just got louder and louder - equally so. The basic definition of linear

    The setup process was easier than expected, but also surprised me. I was told by MANY guru's that I would yield better results from the Bit.Ten if I fed it with 4 channels of deck power than 2 channels of preamp signal, so I did. The processor then steps you through the process of manually adjusting the input gain pots on the unit to just before clipping. This gives you about 4 vrms of clean, unclipped, undistorted output. And it was true - as the front amp needed ZERO gain to get obnoxiously loud, and the sub amp needed only a touch. This also helps to keep the noise floor at ZERO.

    The only thing I had to troubleshoot was the overall centre image - it required a smattering of time alignment (delayed the driver side mid/tweet by 1.65ms) and it diffused the stage and brought most music to the middle of the dash. Overall the sound was HUGE...all encompassing. The strength of the sound was probably as fun as the unreal timbre on the top end. As far as install - almost zero fabrication. Basic amp racks, clean mounting and wire routing under the rear seats. Out of sight, out of mind, and basically unstealable unless you pull the rear seats

    All in all - easily the most amazing sounding system I've put together yet. And I should hope so given the quality and price of the product used

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    forgot this one....there is only ONE way to tune a complete digitally processed system...."virtually" bitches!

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    Re: Project "SQ Still Lives" - 2011 Dodge Ram

    I just got a chance to read this thread and DAMN this is quality build. I'm jelly I can't hear it. Nice work getting this all to fit in a tight spot.

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